Hi Keith. Thank you for this video and your dialogue around the incident. We used this for our Safety Team training this past weekend and it inspired a lot of great conversations. We reiterated the immediate need to call 911 when an incident happens and then safe ways to approach the incident. Knowing we have a volunteer team over 60 members, each with different backgrounds, we didn't spend time criticizing the good guy, rather spent time discussing thought processes to address the situation safely. Thanks again for all you do for the Church Safety community. Chris
Everything that you have said on this case was right on. You made me laugh when you held up the phone and said 'if only there was some device where people could call 911' I had been thinking that for 20 minutes in the video - the crazy talk was on loop. Call 911 and pretend you are calling the locksmith to get in the church. I've called 911 by accident by clamping the right thumb button on a tripod. Like you, I would avoid physically engaging - I know all my pain receptors are working but I doubt the suspect is feeling more than 25% pain. My Monday QB: I doubt I would have initially drawn down and eventually shot. Keep up the great work.
I understand that the perpetrator was a significant threat and that rising his arms did little to de-escalate. However, he seemed unarmed. Would it not have been more appropriate to shoot him several times in the legs? Had not a couple of shots in his lower legs rendered him immobile? Of course, he would probably still be agressive, but - at least - our hero had hopefully less legal worries.
I have had cases where an unarmed person killed someone. Also, shooting someone in the legs only works in the movies. There’s a great video of a person shooting another in a leg to stop them during an assault similar to this. That same person died after the bullet hit his femoral artery and he bled out quickly.
All great advice Keith, I'd also add that pepper spray may have been an option as well. These situations are so dynamic it's hard to know what one would do. Running the what if's through your mind before something like this happens would be a great help as you noted!
Hi Keith. Thank you for this video and your dialogue around the incident. We used this for our Safety Team training this past weekend and it inspired a lot of great conversations. We reiterated the immediate need to call 911 when an incident happens and then safe ways to approach the incident. Knowing we have a volunteer team over 60 members, each with different backgrounds, we didn't spend time criticizing the good guy, rather spent time discussing thought processes to address the situation safely. Thanks again for all you do for the Church Safety community. Chris
Everything that you have said on this case was right on. You made me laugh when you held up the phone and said 'if only there was some device where people could call 911' I had been thinking that for 20 minutes in the video - the crazy talk was on loop. Call 911 and pretend you are calling the locksmith to get in the church. I've called 911 by accident by clamping the right thumb button on a tripod. Like you, I would avoid physically engaging - I know all my pain receptors are working but I doubt the suspect is feeling more than 25% pain. My Monday QB: I doubt I would have initially drawn down and eventually shot. Keep up the great work.
Another excellent assessment and debrief.
Thank You for this invaluable information Keith. I appreciate that you share your experience and expertise with us.
Great review Keith. Your lessons are very appreciated.
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I understand that the perpetrator was a significant threat and that rising his arms did little to de-escalate. However, he seemed unarmed. Would it not have been more appropriate to shoot him several times in the legs? Had not a couple of shots in his lower legs rendered him immobile? Of course, he would probably still be agressive, but - at least - our hero had hopefully less legal worries.
I have had cases where an unarmed person killed someone. Also, shooting someone in the legs only works in the movies. There’s a great video of a person shooting another in a leg to stop them during an assault similar to this. That same person died after the bullet hit his femoral artery and he bled out quickly.
All great advice Keith, I'd also add that pepper spray may have been an option as well. These situations are so dynamic it's hard to know what one would do. Running the what if's through your mind before something like this happens would be a great help as you noted!
It looks like pepper spray might have been used to disable the assailant. ABCPS
I think pepper spray would have worked well here.